Man That Can with Lachlan Stuart
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Taylah Teschner: Understanding Leaky Gut, Managing Stress, and Improving Sleep #504
Let's face it, the world of health and wellness can sometimes feel overwhelming. With so many diets, supplements, and lifestyle changes being constantly promoted, it can be hard to know where to start or what to believe. That's why I've invited devoted naturopath, Taylah Teschner onto our episode today. She's on hand to dispel the wellness myths and guide us through a holistic approach to health that believes in the body's inherent ability to heal itself.
As reluctant as some of us may be to add another "syndrome" to our health lexicon, Taylor's insight into leaky gut can't be ignored. She helps us understand this condition, unravelling its correlation to anxiety, fatigue, and depression, and offering advice on testing and management. We also delve into the impact of lifestyle factors on mental health. Taylor shares her expert advice on managing stress and recovering from burnout through simple, attainable changes, which is music to the ears of anyone feeling overwhelmed by the demands of modern life.
And of course, we couldn't conclude without discussing the age-old issue of sleep. Taylor underscores the profound impact of quality sleep on our mood and productivity, and shares strategies for improving sleep hygiene and establishing a healthy routine. From outdoor activities to intentional eating habits, Taylor reveals the small changes that can lead to big improvements. So, join us for a conversation that will leave you feeling inspired, informed, and in control of your journey to better health and wellness.
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Do Something Today To Be Better For Tomorrow
Welcome to episode 504 of the man the Camp Project podcast, obviously the ultimate guide for men seeking to unlock their full potential in mind and body. I'm your host, lockie Stewart, and this show is obviously aged from men between 30 and 50 years old who are looking to maximize their life through insightful conversations and expert advice. Today is no different. Have a very special guest, taylor Teshner. Slash house.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1:I don't know which one we'll go with, but you're a passionate naturopath who believes in the power of the body's inherent ability to heal itself, and your holistic approach to health and wellness is something that I deeply admire and believe in. And the other day, when I was thinking I was, I need some helpful conversations although they all are, but around health, stress management, sleep and natural ways to heal the body, because a lot of our clients are dealing with insane amounts of stress and the first thing is like falling toward alcohol, sacrificing their sleep to work harder, and they don't realize they're in this, I guess, toxic cycle and what you do and how you go about things is a great, great reminder for people. But also you provide supplements and everything like that which you can dive into to help doing that. But obviously, beyond your professional life, you're a wife to one of my closest mates, stu man, who's probably going to he will make he'll be clashing around the place. You're a business owner and you're also growing a little baby.
Speaker 2:Yes, having a first baby, how exciting, it is exciting.
Speaker 1:How's that been for you?
Speaker 2:Terrifying. No, it's been really good. It's been a good journey. I feel it's going to give me good compassion for my clients in the future that are parents. I think that you kind of can't relate until you're in it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like to pretend I can not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I have empathy, so I think I'm like your kids annoying. Get it out. It's cute. That's your shit itself. Take it back, please. But Taylor, let's go back to the beginning.
Speaker 1:So you grew up in Toambia, oki, just outside of Toambia.
Speaker 2:We'll class it as Toambia.
Speaker 1:But getting into naturopathy or naturopath becoming a naturopath? How did that all come to be? Give us a quick rundown of your younger years. Yes, so it was probably.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a lot of people ask me this question because it is something that I suppose isn't like a usual career path, but it's probably men's health. That kind of got me started because when I left school when I was 15, before then so when I was 15 and my dad was diagnosed with prostate cancer and so he was like on that usual medical journey for about three or four years. Then when I was 18, he passed away and it was when he was in getting treatments. One day we were there for radiation or one of those ones, and in the waiting room there was a book and it was all about nutrition for cancer and specifically nutrition in prostate cancer.
Speaker 2:And I remember thinking to myself like that has to be like a conversation that has had with someone in this cancer journey. But I realized like that whole time that he was through that process and it's not through the fault of the doctors or whatever, because I think it's obviously one of those things that you've got to branch out and explore for yourself. But no, that conversation was never had with him. Anyway, that was kind of like the thing. That kind of, I guess, sparked my interest international health and then medicine and what else could be? And what else could you be doing if you were, you know, faced with a health crisis, and I guess cancer is like the extreme of that. But that was kind of like the starting point.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then that's when, I guess, I had already finished school. I was actually studying psychology at the time, oh really, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then Like a wizard.
Speaker 2:Yeah well, I didn't get very far. The stats killed me. I was like God, I don't know if this is for me. Boring, yeah, very boring. And then that's when I decided to I don't know one day Google natural health. I genuinely think that's what I Googled. And that's when the college came up and I kind of read through the course and I was like that's exactly what I want to do and it was completely random because my mom was a nurse. Like we'd never been to naturopaths growing up.
Speaker 2:Like it's not like I'd had exposure from other areas until then. So yeah, it was good. But yeah, that's kind of what started the process.
Speaker 1:Can you explain what naturopathy am I saying it right? Yeah, I should have Googled that.
Speaker 2:I used to say naturopathy, and then I used to get ridiculed.
Speaker 1:I was like naturopathy doesn't roll off the tongue as well as naturopathy, and I think it sounds fancy, so let's go with that. Very yeah, one of the two, either, or We'll let you decide.
Speaker 2:So basically, a naturopath, I mean again, it does encompass a lot of things, so every naturopath is really different. But for me, naturopathy is all about kind of, I guess, addressing the underlying reasons as to why a disease process is going on. So we're really focusing on trying to allow the body to heal itself, given the right tools, and so those tools might incorporate diet, lifestyle supplements, testing, but basically we're encompassing and trying to look at the whole person. We're trying to look at, like the whole person. What's going on in every area. How do you sleep? What's your gut health like? What are your hormones like? What do you eat? What do you do for work? It's everything so that we're trying to basically get that person to an optimal state. And a person could come to a naturopath for lots of different reasons. It could be for gut health, it could be energy, it could be food intolerances, nutrition, hormonal imbalances yeah, lots of different things. So it's always fun.
Speaker 1:It's like every day is a new day, yeah it's a new day, but I think it ties into what you said a moment ago when you started exploring that when your dad was diagnosed with cancer. It does sort of fall upon the individual to start exploring other ways to do things, because if you only do what you've always done, the results generally the same. So you touched on so many things and it can be overwhelming for the average person. But if you understand for example, you're going to live for 80 years and you just focus on one thing a year over a decade you would have a greater understanding around different, I guess, methodologies or ways of being healthier.
Speaker 2:Managing that, yeah, and.
Speaker 1:I fell into it. You know, Shuey and I have had mates who have died by suicide and you start questioning. It can't always be the head, because we've all grown up in similar situations. So, there are other things that influence and obviously now there's a lot of research going into things that you mentioned like health, sleep, environment, exercise, sun exposure, all these natural things that are free, yes, yet we still tend to focus on the medication. Now, medication is important in some degrees Absolutely yes, it's a tool.
Speaker 1:As you mentioned, there are so many tools that are unexplored that may require a little bit more work, but I think, for me personally, I find them more effective and sustainable in the long term.
Speaker 2:And it's a long term approach instead of I suppose I kind of describe medication to clients like it's like the life jacket that you need to put on when you're drowning. You put that life jacket on and you take that medication If you need it. You know it's like a life or death situation, or you know, if you don't take it you're going to get really unwell. Then you put the medication in, you take the medication, but eventually you want to swim to the side of the pond and eventually then you need to learn to take that life jacket off. And so that's when I, you know, will say to people don't consider your medication as the nest, like the evil, but you can work with all these other things to make that process as good as it can be. And then for some people, medication is still a part of that journey, and then some people are able to, you know, move away from it. But yeah, it's whatever works for them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly that whole whatever works for them, but it's a lot of it comes back to responsibility and identifying what works well for you and what doesn't, rather than just continuing, because a lot of the people that we work with they're in high pressure situations, whether they're running companies or working in law firms, and the easiest thing for them, because they're really time poor, is those quick fixes which aren't sustainable in the long term. Like, as I was saying to you, the reason why I reached out to you, as I've got a client who's heart rate is resting at 83 or 87 beats a minute.
Speaker 2:I was like dude yeah, you need to sort that out. That's stress, yeah, yeah, that's not good yeah.
Speaker 1:And you can only take melatonin and all of these other things are on for a short period of time before we need to address your work life balance and everything else. Going on from that point. But let's sort of dive into now the stress and mental health side to think, because obviously you know you do a lot of gut work and everything like that and the gut is linked to the brain. I believe that Definitely I'm sure you believe, can we sort of touch on that first and then we'll see where we go from there?
Speaker 2:Yeah, sure. So I guess, as in how the gut could impact mental health.
Speaker 1:Correct yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, we know that I mean so much. Again, research. It's great that, like now I suppose these supported theories are actually now being backed up with research that the brain and the gut is in constant communication with each other. We also know that different bacterias can be responsible for those production of say your neurotransmitters.
Speaker 2:and your neurotransmitters are those things that in the brain that create GABA to make you not anxious, or serotonin to make you not depressed, and so there's a direct link on what kind of bacteria you have and then how you can make those neurotransmitters, which is fascinating and amazing I think I remember, particularly because I think for a long time I think well, maybe even still for some people, they would not understand the link.
Speaker 2:I suppose that everything can be so connected. So really helping people to ascertain or, I guess, delve into what could be going in what they're eating, what's going on in their gut health, like, have they got good bacteria? Have they got overgrowth? Is it bad? Are they got a lot of inflammation in their gut? Is there any kind of like leaky gut stuff going on, which again is a quite new and emerging area? But all of that can be definitely linked back to anxiety, fatigue depression.
Speaker 1:What is leaky gut?
Speaker 2:Leaky gut is that so the technical name, because it's such a bit of a fad term, I think, and I kind of always cringe saying it now because I think just so many people say it like it's just like oh, leaky gut, and I'm like what is it? Do you know what that means? Like yeah, and a lot of people will come in and they'll write in their forms like I have leaky gut and I'm like how do you know?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But the technical name is intestinal hyperpermeability, which basically means that the gut wall lining is very slowly, like it's got little gaps between it. Within that, then that means that things that shouldn't end up in the bloodstream can end up in the bloodstream like undigested food or bacteria.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:But then it also gives rise to a lot of nutrient deficiencies. So then, even if you're eating a really well balanced diet, you can then basically be losing those nutrients. So then, even when you're doing all the right things, you're not feeling the benefit from it because you're not actually getting the absorption.
Speaker 1:So, for example, you're not getting the absorption. Someone who's trying to lose weight, who has leaky gut, for example, and aren't getting the results that they want, that might be saying I'm eating well, I'm in with within my calorie range. That could be a reason. Why is that?
Speaker 2:yeah, or and I'm eating well, but I just feel tired all the time regardless. Or I'm eating well, but yeah, I'm not gaining. You know muscle the way that I should be, or you know that. Or a really common one is like chronically low iron on blood tests, so kind of those reoccurring things that you might be thinking ahead, like I'm doing all the things that the media tells us and my PT tells me whatever. Like I'm eating well and I'm exercising and I'm getting my eight hour sleep, but why am I not well? And I think that's then when I say to people right, if you've done all of that, let's delve feet further and you can test, so it's not a guessing game anymore, which is really cool.
Speaker 2:Yep cuz again. Like I think for a long time, naturopaths cop the witchery you know, I know, yeah, yeah, and it's like oh, it's just a theory. You know it's a naturopath thing, but it's really not. It's so much more than that now, and yeah, there's just so much emerging evidence. I mean I don't think that there's enough yet to still support a lot of the theories.
Speaker 2:But, I think also, what I see more than anything is I trust how the client is in clinic. So, if they're coming back and we're working with an area and they're saying they're feeling better and they're getting better blood test results and they're losing weight or they're gaining muscle, they're feeling better in terms of energy, then you can't fight that no, literally, the results is that's, that's what they want.
Speaker 1:It's like no one really cares about the process too much except for the experts. Yes, yeah, they can feel the results they're like. That's all I need to do yeah, exactly, and there isn't what? No, sorry, no, one size fits all up. No how do they go about testing for that Cuz I've never even heard of leaky gut, so I'm fascinated by this. I know I'm like just all my notes everything that I've got on here is redundant.
Speaker 2:It's all conversations about a change, um, so basically you can test it via a stool test.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah so.
Speaker 2:I talked to people a lot all day, usually about that poo. It's like a good conversation to have and I'm like I kind of forget that. I don't find that weird, you know. So I'm like, oh yeah, so is it formed? Was you poos? Like how many is it? And I just did food and they're looking at me Like I don't know and I don't sit down.
Speaker 2:Look at it, I'm like well, you should, and so then they come back and they have a full report for me and it's satisfying because I guess that's the type of thing that tells me what's going on internally. Yeah and so if you haven't taken note of your poos lock, make sure you do well.
Speaker 1:I don't want to say this, but most people are on their phone. I'm probably on instant.
Speaker 2:I'm probably doing an Instagram update while I'm on the toilet or checking Fox Sports or something next time just remind.
Speaker 1:You turn around, yeah turn around.
Speaker 2:Have a good squeeze. Let your natural path know how.
Speaker 1:Better yet, take a photo and send it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so people have done that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm probably not gonna do that.
Speaker 2:No, I mean, yeah, I know, I'm not flattered sometimes do you like my husband? He likes to do that.
Speaker 1:She would have done that to me too, and not for any health benefits. Just look how big this is.
Speaker 2:Just pride. Just you were pride. No, but yeah, you can analyze it on a still test now. So we've got really good what they call like microbiome testing and so basically people like clients would collect a sample, send it away To different pathology companies. I use one in Australia out of Melbourne, and so the test is called a complete microbiome mapping and essentially from that you can ascertain like, yeah, how they're absorbing their nutrients, how that pancreas is, inflammation markers, gluten intolerances, bacteria, parasites, candidas, yeah, and so, even from that point, if you were, you know, tip-top health, you could then use that as like a baseline for future tests.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's also really good because I think sometimes people aren't always in like chronic states of bad health. Yeah they're coming, they just really want to know, like, how they can be better and how they could make things you know better for them.
Speaker 1:Which.
Speaker 2:I think is awesome, and so that's more of that prevention rather than cure. But, yeah, and that's a really good thing because, again, like your blood tests can only tell you so much and like you're only also Objective so far and how you are, you know, like people say, like I think I feel good, like I'm not sure, but how do you compare that to someone else? Yeah, so yeah, tangible no exactly so testing is a really good way of being able to actually, like identify what's wrong.
Speaker 1:It's not guesswork, and it takes then the element of people having to keep guessing and like trial and cutting out this, or try this supplement, or try this bad diet, but you know, a lot of the time it can just kind of be, I think yeah, it's definitely, and for a lot of people we don't especially men as well they won't go see a doctor or do any of these preventative things until. Yeah and you probably see that a lot.
Speaker 2:That's most people, though I feel like it's still a lot of that, like, oh my gosh, I've put up with this for 10 years.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm actually genuinely sick of myself now.
Speaker 1:Now I'm gonna do something about it, yeah that's like when dad was diagnosed with um Prostate cancer. We found out at the wedding because he couldn't piss.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's right. And I was like, oh my gosh, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1:And then he goes on to have prostate cancer. But I'm like he hasn't been to the doctor and I'm the same. I'm like I don't need the doctor. I'm awesome, how good am I? But now, I'm going to get. I told you I got those blood tests done yesterday, just so I know what my biomarkers are on certain things, because you can sort of get on top of things earlier or get a baseline, yeah a baseline to work from and, once again, it is a luxury to be able to do that.
Speaker 1:But for people listening, if you are in the position where you can do that or you do. Genuinely care about your long-term health, I would highly recommend Getting off the booze for just dry July. So is it is doing dry.
Speaker 2:July yeah.
Speaker 1:You could save the same amount for blood tests like that and then totally get your blood tests done every July and see where your Biomarkers are at, because if you don't know, you don't know. And.
Speaker 2:I think also it's about, like a lot of people will say to me, like I keep going to my GP and it's not definitely to route on the medical system like they've got their parameters that they can work within too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so sometimes you know things will prevent them from being able to give you a blood test referral, but there are practitioners out there who are happy to do that. So you know, you just got to find the right one and find someone who's willing to do a little bit more with that. But yeah, I mean GPS have a lot on their brains as it is. You know, sometimes, like your prevention and your wellness, is not their first and foremost, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely, and a big thing for me when I'm going is like are they asking me questions about lifestyle? Because I think, as we've mentioned, that even with a lot of the mental health data that was released in 2018 around, like why men are taking their life by suicide and various other things, and it's similar for women but it is looking at those lifestyle factors How's your sleep, how's your home life, how's your your work life but people they just say are you depressed? Cool, and once again, not bagging on them, but a bit more questioning will deliver better answers to treat a lot, a lot better.
Speaker 2:And I think, like you said before, it's hard because you know, and the GPS allocated a certain amount of time and so, like that's, you know for them, they're just there to get you that, like that life jacket there. They're just there to help you get out of that state and you know how incredible and how good that we have that and it saves lives. But without you know beyond that, it also does take a little bit more for that person then to be like okay, well, what else?
Speaker 2:I think, then that's where people also need to take a little bit more responsibility. 100% for their own health and prevention, and how else could I be doing better or how else could I be treating myself better? Because I think it's not always on someone else to fix the problem. Never is that you've created like you need to then stand up and be like, okay, what else could I be doing? Not just like, oh, nothing came out of it at the end, you know.
Speaker 1:Well, you would probably see that with your clients, right Like you, have a chat to them, find out what's going on, get there, talk about poo with them now, but then you'll, you know, provide a pathway to change right to improvement. That doesn't fall on you, though. You're not. You can't follow them around their house and see what they people wish I could do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, some people say come grocery shopping with me. I said, dolls, you can do it.
Speaker 1:Why don't we just make a new service for Taylor? It's she's a hundred grand a year, you'll get an hour a week with her. There's probably someone who listens in America or something like done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I have. I have clients who literally say to me oh well, can't you just cook it for me? I'll pay you to do it. And I'm like oh, into that business like. I could just be sitting at home making these healthy meals and people are happy to pay before and I was like no, I don't like cooking that much.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but there are, yes, I got. So go on, I just went on a massive tangent. But, going back to you, the responsibility for people, you do create that pathway and I do that as well with what we do Around stress and getting people to look at their their work life balance. What can they do to manage stress? And we'll dive into stress here now. But it does fall on the individual to make sure that they do stick to that plan and and prioritize what's important to them.
Speaker 2:Yes, and starting small definitely yeah. Yeah, it's more small and make some attainable goals, because I think when you start to talk about stress, people get really overwhelmed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's stressful. Yeah, 100%, but it's like that whole we want to. We you know all of us, myself yourself we're still working on stuff. We're still learning about health. We're still we're still learning about a whole heap of stuff and that's like the long-term play I always think about. If, when I'm 90, I'm still able to run around and do things and have great health, I've got a lot of things to learn and a lot of things to fail him. So I think long, but I play short, like it's like what's in front of me today, what do I need to learn about?
Speaker 2:Which is most humans?
Speaker 1:Yeah so do Decompartmentalizes things and makes it easy to bite off. Hmm, but going into stress, what is stress to you?
Speaker 2:and then, I'll share what it is to me from.
Speaker 1:So the individual, so that people listening have an idea, because people are just like how are you going? I'm busy or I'm stressed, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I got told once that people who answer that they're busy are not actually that busy.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, for me, okay. Well, yeah, I think stress is probably one of the top three things that people would write. Like I always say on my intake forms Write your top three concerns. And people always write stress almost nearly every time, which is interesting because I'm like how do you think I can help you manage that? Like that's you. But what I do is like trying, I guess, break it down with them and be like what are you doing? How are you doing it? Um, how many days a week? What are you working? Why are you working that many hours, all of that stuff. But to me, stress is like I suppose, yes, we think okay, work, kids, finances, partners, you know, relationships, all of that kind of thing. But podcasting.
Speaker 2:Podcasting, so stressed I'm overwhelmed. But I think it's also things like long-term inflammatory diseases, so like you're living with a condition for a long time or lack of good sleep, or you know nutrient deficiencies consistently and not eating well, pushing the candle, burning the candle at both ends. Environmental toxins, you know, but Even emotional Stresses is stress as well, you know. So if you're in a constant state of anxiety, if you're in a constant state of low mood like that, all creates inflammation. So that is a stress on the body and so sometimes people aren't necessarily getting a lot of external Stresses, but it could be internally as well, poor gut health long-term.
Speaker 2:So yeah, if the me, I suppose, is more of like that, I'm like the body's internal clockwork that I'm kind of interested in, or hormonal imbalances long-term, but yeah, it can be a myriad of things. And I think also you know people with shift workers.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's not, that's not easy.
Speaker 2:And that's a lot of my clients like nurses. Yeah yeah, but yeah, I think it's. It can be just like a vast thing, but also everyone's stress is perceived differently. I've had clients who you know, like solicitors or any of their own businesses, owning their own firms and Traveling here, there and everywhere, and they're in family law. You know it's very stressful and I'll say to them like how are you?
Speaker 2:and they're like no, no, I handle it really well and normally I'm like bullshit like I call you know, but, um, I'm literally like, I'm so like I'm like sure, I like note down my own little notes, but then I've like tested those people's cortisol levels, and cortisol is a stress hormone and yeah, it's actually cool, so you can test that. Yeah, yeah. And it's great because again Like, how do you get objective about your stress?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't like. What's your stress commander? My stress, how do I perceive it compared to how do you perceive it? And that's the other thing is, if you're constantly then comparing yourself, but you don't handle stress very well, but the person you work with does, and so you're constantly being like, oh, they can do it, why can't I?
Speaker 2:Then, yeah, you feel like a failure all the time which is then another stress yeah, so being able to actually ascertain that on a piece of paper and show them and be like you're actually in fight-or-flight, like you need to stop, or you're in full-on burnout because of all of those years of stress and so sometimes again being able to quantify that, people really get a lot of satisfaction out of that.
Speaker 1:I literally didn't know you could test for that.
Speaker 2:So now I'm like now I want to do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want to do it and I want to get a lot of my clients because how we use like wearables obviously, yeah, heart rate variability and some basic things, but even resting heart rate etc. Is what I'll be able to measure people off so I can see the impacts of alcohol on resting heart rate or. How your heart rate variability when you're stressed or fatigued, etc. Yeah, which once again, it's like how do you quantify those things? These is like an overall metric, but it's not as detailed as what you just mentioned.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna be sending people for blood, and is it blood test?
Speaker 2:saliva or urine. Yeah, sweet. So urine is usually more. Saliva is because it's like what's metabolized. Yeah yeah, it's not just what's free floating, and so it'll actually like plot it on a graph over a day.
Speaker 2:And so we should have normally like good amounts of cortisol in the morning and then it should like really gently, naturally drop off over the day and then that's when your melatonin rises. But normally if you're chronic, in chronic stage of stress, or you could be in a bit of burnout and chronic stress. So I have clients who their cortisol be like flat line in the morning and they're the people who are like it takes me an hour to Wake up. I've got three coffees, like I just can't wake up for that first two hours, but then as soon as they're on, their cortisol is like through the roof, and so then I'm like okay, so now we're in stress and burnout, but then they'll hit that two, three o'clock slump where then they'll fall again and then all of a sudden it's rising again before bed and they're like now I can't sleep and I'm not sure why, and their melatonin Doesn't even get the chance to rise so what would you do for that?
Speaker 1:Like, how would you sort of say, for example, that's me, yeah, it's a shame that's me, because it probably is what's like my road to recovery and I know it's all individual but like, is there a rough pathway?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so like it's a lot, um, so instantly, like that's when we start talking about like lifestyle, so, um, so lots of things can come into that, um, you know. So I'll say, like, how are you exercising? So some people who are in chronic burnout or in fight-or-flight shouldn't be doing high intensity exercise, and so that's actually a really hard conversation to have with someone like.
Speaker 2:I struggle with that all the time, telling people that yeah, and and it's usually the people who are like, really, they're like the hit workout, it's, you know, like hit 25, 30 minutes, like high intensity, six, seven days a week, um, and then I have to say to them like that is literally doing you more damage than good and that's why you're not shifting that weight, even though you're doing all of this on paper, tick, tick, tick, um, and so like like exercise, the timing of when they might exercise, so you can actually then be like okay, your cortisol is actually good here, so that's when you should be exercising, um, but don't exercise at night time, because then that rises your cortisol and you're trying to go to bed then and wind down Um work. I mean, how many? I can't even tell you how many people I've got to quit their jobs.
Speaker 1:I'm working at it, trying to get people to quit their jobs.
Speaker 2:And then come back and they're like you'll be so proud of me, taylor, I quit and I'm like, oh, but if your life falls apart, it was me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I hope financially you're fine, um, but no, and then all they'll, you know, really start to create boundaries. Like I have clients all the time. And then they're like I've got to be at work by 7 30 and I leave about six o'clock and I just don't have time outside of that to exercise or whatever. And I'm like, what are your hours? And they're like, oh, um, nine to five. And I say so, why do you go in at seven and then stay till six? Oh, just, I like to get it all done. I'm like, so what are we doing?
Speaker 1:Why are?
Speaker 2:we doing that. And so I literally just sit there and lecture them, um, and then it's like I get so hard with it. I'm like, come on, what are you doing? And then, yeah, they'll come back and be like, oh my gosh, I don't know why I was doing that for so long, but you kind of get in that hamster wheel.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so work, um, you know family environment. I said to women do you need a cleaner? Like, get a cleaner and take that pressure off yourself, or you know how can you outsource that or create an hour a week where you can get go and get that downtime. Um, boundary self care. Self care is huge. Um, quality of sleep. So then I'll talk about sleep. What are you doing? How you're looking after your sleep cycles, um, and then, yeah, supplements can be really helpful in that acute phase. So that's when I'll talk to people about adrenal herbs or adrenal nutrients. So they're things like magnesium.
Speaker 2:Yep, huge as my favorite so yeah, you'll excrete magnesium A lot quicker if you're stressed, and so a lot of people are just really deficient in magnesium form matters, so I wouldn't go and buy the one from Woolies always.
Speaker 2:That's it, yeah, the important, even like fish oils and stuff like there's so much dodgy stuff if you're gonna do it, just do it, yeah, I'll just don't do it, because you're probably just like paying for concreting your stomach Um so don't but yeah, it's a lot like a lot of the time just having conversations around that and then, yeah, and it's, I mean the supplements can be really good to get them, like I said, out of that acute phase. I can just to kind of really mellow everything out. And there's some really beautiful herbs that we can use that have again really good research on how they can actually modulate your cortisol, but that's not the end game. You can't out. Supplement a crappy.
Speaker 1:Shit life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so if the stress is coming externally, you need to address that.
Speaker 1:I mean, the supplements and food changes and stuff are all really good and they work, um and but yeah, again, you're always going to find excuses not to do those things if you haven't, then actually change the root problem yeah, it's so For me whenever I think about stress, like you have chronic stress, but then you have that acute stress that you mentioned, and it's generally because there's something in your life that's. You need to change. For example and once again there's positive and also negative stress, like some short-term stress, like For progressive overload with training is important because you get the or a car's going to hit you and you need to Move and like that's helpful Thanks adrenaline.
Speaker 1:Financial stress means you might have to take a second job, whatever like there's. There's definitely think, or you might have to have a conversation with your partner.
Speaker 2:That's important. You can't avoid stress. Yeah that's also to be really clear, because it just festers, but it's then going okay.
Speaker 1:How do we? Manage that supplementation is important, but if you don't change the route, Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, look, you can worry about it, but you're also only going to get so far. Yeah, you're only going to be able to make so much progress. And so, like I do have a lot of clients who you know they'll come and they're like, yep, I'm all in and I'm like, okay, I don't know. I don't know where the space is You're going to create that all in.
Speaker 2:But okay, cool, I'm into. And so we'll get them on their supplements and I'll set them up with their food and I'll say to them, like this is all you need to do with your food. No, outline it really basic, like it's not hard.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I can try and keep it really realistic. Um, and you know, I asked them like what is your morning routine like? So I'm not asking them to, you know, do anything beyond. But then you know they won't, they'll just disappear off the radar for like a year and then they'll come back all of a sudden. They're like okay, I'm ready now because I've actually, you know, changed my job, so I've got the space to do it, and so it's a lot about timing for people definitely it's.
Speaker 1:I think there's also an important part. I had a client this morning who I used to work with in Sydney and had we've had 12 months apart and now he's come back and the beautiful thing about Someone being persistent or also having a growing relationship is you can start to show them their patterns like their behaviors, and for a lot of us it is about timing. But that timing comes through. Why do I keep falling back?
Speaker 1:or falling off the wagon here. Well, you know, for someone who uses loosely as an example, persons trying to get their heart rate down, get healthy again, but they're working from fucking 5 am Till 11 pm Running up for our sleep. It's not a healthy lifestyle. Understand, he's supporting a lot of people with families, wages and like they understand the stresses of that. So for me it's kind of I would if I were you, I'd fucking quit your job personally. But what has to happen in order for you to feel?
Speaker 1:like you can do that, and there's always a step in the lead up to and it's like Okay, such and such, johnny, let's go. Johnny, if we achieve that together, will you then be able to cut back your workouts? Yeah, you're looking, no worries, okay, yeah, then we get to have that conversation. When that happens and they're gonna most people are gonna have another thing that they need to do before they can care about it. So we go, johnny. Do you really want to prioritize your longevity and health and your relationship? I do, I swear I will. This is what we've just gone through the last six months.
Speaker 1:Yeah so tell me how we're gonna fucking change it If you keep prioritizing work over the top of it. Yes and it's. It is easier said than done, but I think through longevity and relationship and working with people, you can then start to show them hey, this is your pattern you're avoiding and they figure it out.
Speaker 2:Yeah they do, and I mean it's just, it takes some people just longer than others.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I also think again. It's about like bite sizes, like don't just walk out tomorrow and think like okay, I've listened to this amazing podcast about stress and how I can fix myself and they. But they're inspired.
Speaker 1:Hashtag inspired.
Speaker 2:But you know you don't expect great change overnight, like I just think it's like the small little things I say to women, and you know my clients I mean predominantly. I work with women.
Speaker 1:That's why I keep saying yeah, and I always say man, but but yeah, we're talking about.
Speaker 2:And I say to people like you can't, you can't expect to go back tomorrow and then create all of these different things that they're gonna create overwhelm. But also it's probably a short-term change, like you're only gonna be able to do that for like four to six weeks. You're gonna find yourself falling off the wagon again and now you feel like crap and now you're in the pits again and so now you got to pick yourself back up. But I say to people like just start small, like ten minutes a day, one hour a week, like one extra healthy meal a week. You know it's small, it doesn't have to be game-changing, going and sitting in the bar in hinterland Meditating for an hour and a half each day because people are like, oh, I don't like, that's not my cup of tea.
Speaker 2:I'm like, great, don't make it cup of tea, go and find something else that you do like to do.
Speaker 1:You know, but yeah, it's got to be very like you said individualized it has to be yeah, and those immersive experiences are great, like you mentioned, and we run a lot of workshops which are immersive, which are great, but once again that's not your life. You go back to what your reality is and you need to work out how you're gonna make it work for that.
Speaker 2:Yes, and also then just don't accept that. Oh, that's my life, I'm the world. That start, then. But yeah. Okay, well, actually, how could you small implement? You know, things that you do like to do, like some people? I just said to them, like, grab your cup of tea in the morning, go sit in the sun and just sit there for 10 minutes.
Speaker 1:What would be some things you've done with stewie right, because I know stewie and I grew up together. We both were not very Cared for ourselves very well and then obviously we met ladies like yourself and Amy who are like hey, you need to start looking up.
Speaker 2:He's actually miserable, guys. He's actually miserable. He just wants to eat donuts and drink beer and I'm like, no, it's not on.
Speaker 1:Only on Saturday, which is where he's disappeared.
Speaker 2:He's like band bags at chips, like sitting there watching his foot.
Speaker 1:He's just looking through the window eating chips outside right now.
Speaker 2:Because he knows I can't get to him. I'm trapped in.
Speaker 1:You got an hour to just binge, but what would be some things for, like, obviously stewie runs his own business as well. Carry stress, how. What are some ways that you've helped him? One recognize, or even for you as a partner? So this is probably a good part. A lot of women would be watching their blokes carry stress. They don't recognize it. We're quite naive to it, which is yeah, we're right, we'll get on with it. Yeah, you'll be right, mate, how. What are some warning signs for you when you know stewie is dealing with the excessive amount of Stress, and how would you sort of maybe even have that conversation with him?
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, I think every again. Yeah, it's interesting, stewie's like. Sometimes I feel like he's a little bit of a. Normally though, because he has like a very long, he's very easy going as you know like it's kind of hard to roll him up. Yeah it is one when he gets to that point like it's like a very short fuse and you can kind of see it coming, cuz it's just in his mood, you know, like it's short, snappy, and then one little thing will just trigger him and it'll just be like this massive release and he does not.
Speaker 2:Let's just not use stew as an example, because I'm gonna say he doesn't deal with his stress Always very well, in the sense that he's very good at like get on, get on, get on, get on with it like you'll be right, you'll be right, you'll be right. And then, all of a sudden, it's like I said to him like what have you done recently?
Speaker 2:like to like help yourself and so then I start lecturing him and I'm like, well, yeah, drinking pears? No, he's not. But I'm like you know, you're all these late nights and then you get to your weekend and all you want to do is socialize. Yeah, is that a good source of your energy? You know, because he's a very social person and I understand that some Sometimes that does help people come out of that. But I'm also like when are you actually getting active rest?
Speaker 2:Yeah you know, and so sometimes I force him into booking a massage like it all have to book it for him. Yeah or go and get in the sauna like, and again, if I can go with him, he'll go. But again, I think it's sometimes just people who aren't naturally good at it, like I'm, I guess, very aware of it, so like I try to then kind of carry that for yes.
Speaker 2:But also you know food is big, you know how he eats, how he feels himself is huge. So I was trying to really be aware of like what he needs in a day.
Speaker 1:So meat pie and the twirl is not good at it.
Speaker 2:Honestly, like he knows, I like, I watch the account, I'm like where's this? Money. Mac is $5. Oh, it says the coffee. She'll be right, um, but you know it all. Actually now his dad owns the fish and ship shop, so like he's out there. Yeah, and like it's obviously not gonna cost him anything.
Speaker 2:So, I'm like what are you eating? No, but it's trying to get him to fuel himself properly and that's come a long way. You know, when I first met him, he would have like Nutri-Grain for brekkie, a V for smoco. You know, sandwiches for lunch. It was very white process. You know quick energy. So you know, the conversations I have a lot with him now is about like okay, long-term energy, long-term, like long-term, sustained energy. So let's have eggs for breakfast, let's have protein, let's only have one coffee, let's not do overdo the caffeine, and we have smokers, of which are like leftovers.
Speaker 2:So, they're more nutrient dense, and so it's just fueling him right and also reminding him to get off the computer at night Time like yeah, I'm like done, cut off your own bed like it's like a small child. But you know it's fun, it's good practice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like I hope he's used to baby has it, has motherhood. I've been doing this for years Six years.
Speaker 2:I'm legend, I know what I'm doing. If I can handle stew, I can handle anything. But yeah, so it's, I think, sometimes also helping each other hold accountable, and he's really good with that, for me too, you know. For you know, for example, like he'll see me like just flogging myself. Sometimes you just go through busy phases and you'll be like okay enough, babe, like put your laptop down, yeah, um, or then we're just really aware of, like, what our happy spaces are, and so we'll go to the farm, or you know just like escape for a little while and just have those down weekends and not feel guilty about it.
Speaker 2:And I always say that to him when he's not very good at being able to like go away and then not think about it. And so even when we're away, I'll say to him now just think, like you know, this is us away, you know it's just doesn't matter for now, You'll go back to it tomorrow. It'll still be there, you know. So it's just I think you can be a really good support person for someone else and I guess it's that's a big conversation I have with clients all the time is like get your partner on board.
Speaker 2:Get your partner on board. Get them also helping you. Stay accountable to what your goals are and if your goal is to have more time on the weekends, that make sure they're like helping you, being like rato. Babe, it's 12. You said after 12 o'clock you don't want to do anything. You know housework or whatever that's it. Cut it off, you know, let's go and do something good for ourselves.
Speaker 1:That's such an important part of having your partner on board, but also being around good people like I'm very fortunate, like even I know Amy learns a lot from you and maybe before um, you know, having the right people in your life to be able to approach and have those conversations with is, you know, something that we're very lucky to have you. Yeah, you know, been able to just pick up the phone, say, hey, I need to learn about some stuff from you, and here I'm getting a gob full of shit I haven't.
Speaker 1:We're going back to leaky gut, but even just so many things that for me it's like going back to the fundamentals of health. Yeah testing quarters. I'll let that's blown my fucking mind to now. I can go on Monday and blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:We're testing.
Speaker 1:Let's go set in to taylor, but obviously for stewie or for anyone listening, like get your partner on board, but having those conversations around how you can set boundaries to pull your partner up without them blowing up, yeah like, because it all comes down to communication at the end of the day.
Speaker 2:On the same page, like not try and like keep pushing them onto something that they're not in for. And sometimes I just you know like I have a lot of conversations again it's about their husbands because I say, well, what's your husband like? And they'll usually be like, oh, he just doesn't care about that stuff. He doesn't prioritize it. It's like me trying to get him to eat healthy. He's just never going to happen.
Speaker 1:And so.
Speaker 2:I say I'll be handsome, just be done with it, because why are you carrying? His health on you and Raising children and whatever. If they're not prioritizing and it's not, like you know, not a priority for them You're never going to make it a priority for them. So don't worry about it, you know, let it go and it's hard for, and especially for women as well.
Speaker 1:Obviously, in that caring, nurturing nature Predominantly, it's like you always want to yeah like how do I, how do I, how?
Speaker 2:do I build him?
Speaker 1:up and fix him and change him, and it's like You're not going to change someone who doesn't want to change himself. So I think that's for me. I do the exact same thing. It's like if you don't like your job, fucking change it. That person's not good value to you.
Speaker 2:That's their journey. Don't figure it out, yeah and then when they do want help, if and since I and sometimes I'll just say we'll lead by example you know, if they can then see you doing really well and eating and feeling good and your moods are better and you know they can notice that and even this in you, then obviously like they might then start to you know, come on board with it. But there's no point trying to push someone into it Like in yeah, it's just you're creating more stress for yourself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and what is what is active rest? Yeah, talking about it a few times.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I am Well, as psychologist many years ago actually explained it to me and I was, and I now I use it with clients all the time is Active rest is when you're actually intentionally stopping to take time for you, whereas like inactive rest is like Netflix and chill like where you're just not.
Speaker 2:But I think that you know whether you're just, if you're just zoning out and you're just kind of like numbing yourself or you're Scrolling, you know you're just scrolling and you're spending like an hour and a half like just in a rabbit war and you're not actually Thinking about your mental health, how you could be better, what your intentions are for the week, you're not really actively thinking about it. Then that's inactive rest. It's still good, but it's not maybe the right thing always. So I say to people like I want you to do 10 minutes a day in an hour a week of Active rest. So 10 minutes a day is like sitting in the sun for 10 minutes or Doing a guided meditation for 10 minutes or grounding yourself or, you know, Going for a walk and just seeing nature and getting outside, because most people spend their days inside. An hour a week could be where you then book a massage or you.
Speaker 2:You intentionally want to catch up with a girlfriend who really brings you a lot of joy or you, you know, want to go play golf with your mates like book it in, have that time that whatever is good for your head space. It could be lots of different things for lots of different people, but have that intentionally set that it's an active point of rest.
Speaker 1:I love it. That's a good one, because I wanted to get that across, because everyone's like yeah, I'm chilling and you're like yeah, but there's a difference. You know, maximizing you're chilling.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or and journaling is a good one. I love that.
Speaker 1:It's like like if I, if I'm getting stressed. I just got a brain dump get it down, because I get so much frustration. I I still struggle to communicate some things to Amy until I blow up. And then I'm like, fuck, I gotta stop doing that which I'm better at Marginally. But it's like when I just brain dump, yeah, yeah. She'll listen to this and she'll go. What the fuck is that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm like I'm sorry, I'm sorry in advance.
Speaker 1:No, but when I write things down and just unload what's gone in my head, I can process and realize that wasn't even an issue, I just needed to vent somewhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's so important to find spaces in your day, whether it is with a girlfriend or a mate, to just blow off steam.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and a lot of people use gym I know as well like exercise. A lot of people like, oh, that's my therapy. And again, I mean I think that that is a good form of release, so don't get me wrong. And I mean it creates all those happy hormones and everything, but at the end of the day, if you're in a state of burnout and you're in an overworld like. Are you really doing yourself any favors? By doing that, or should you go and book yourself a massage or sit in the sauna? Do?
Speaker 2:something else like that. That's going to be a bit more like targeted.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you don't earn the right to train. There's my biggest thing. And once again, I make all my clients wear whoops.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We'll start getting them to get their cortisol check but, like I can see how they're sleeping, the quality of their sleep, their heart rate variability and if it's not where we need it to be over a sustained period of time, say, we're not even worrying about exercise. You can do your walking, but let's go back to hydration. Sleep, yeah nourishing yourself. Yeah, getting all those basics back, so that you are waking up. What's the point Like? What is the point? You're not going to give results?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and that's always the people who, I guess, come in and they're like I'm I'm eating this many calories and I'm exercising this much and I'm weighing out, and then like they're so intense. They're so hyper focused on it and I'm like, firstly, that's your problem, you take a breath, chill the fuck out. Chill, chill, wendy. No. But then I said to them, like you know, sometimes you've got to pick and choose the exercise that's right for you. And then again, that's where sometimes the testing can be good, because I can be like.
Speaker 2:This is why you know, because trying to tell someone not to exercise when they're so you know, we've all been told you want to lose weight, you want to feel good, you exercise, but that's just not the case.
Speaker 1:And it's, it's always. You have to be sweating to have had a good session. Yes, good strength training, where you have five minute rest periods, et cetera. You're not sweating, like it's not that hard. You're sitting on Instagram in between whatever yeah.
Speaker 1:Reading sub stack, whatever you're doing, but you don't really get a sweat. And I have a lot of clients, when we're doing a strength cycle, for example, they're like I don't feel like I've worked out. I'm like that's fine, yeah, Like, can we do a finish? I'm like no, yeah, it's counter productive to what we're doing.
Speaker 2:So just relax.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But that's a holistic trainer, whereas, like you know, and I mean again not to pick apart every like, it's not every PT, obviously, but there are a lot of personal trainers and Jim, you know yeah guide is out there that just aren't really preaching the right message, yeah.
Speaker 1:Exactly, and it's you know, because we work CEOs and whatnot.
Speaker 1:So I understand you're already burning the candle You're telling me about it yeah you can't do that, but sleep, let's, let's dive into sleep, because you know, 40% I was reading some articles earlier this week just to brush up, you know and 40% of Australian adults experience some form of inadequate sleep. So, once again, different stages of sleep. So that comes across in like accidents, lost productivity costs and it's apparently costing the economy in Australia up to 66 billion per year. And people always are wondering come on, how do I feel better? How do I stop my mood swings? How do I build more muscles, like?
Speaker 2:sleep. How do you sleep? Yeah, sleep.
Speaker 1:I would. I would sacrifice anything to get sleep now.
Speaker 2:I'm big fan of sleep.
Speaker 1:I've never wanted. But I've come from that mindset where it's like I've got to be up at four, like I still do get up at four, but I now go to better date. So I still make sure I and once again, when we slowly phasing out those fours, just because that's my mindset, that I have to be up, it's my quiet time. So I'm working on that. It's not, once again, it's not going to happen overnight.
Speaker 2:But I'm aware of it.
Speaker 1:I'm aware of it and I'm committed to going to six is what my time is going to be.
Speaker 2:Cool, okay, sure, that's like more of a human time. It's a few hundred percent. Not a fan of morning. The hate room sucks and going to bed early sucks as well. Yeah, and it's restrictive depending on, like again, who you're hanging out with or, like what you've got to do after work. She's up to like midnight.
Speaker 1:I'm like, what'd you do for the last four hours of your day? I'm like I missed out on it.
Speaker 2:I've been catching some things.
Speaker 1:Five oh so, but I'm looking at that sleep cycle and all those sorts of things. So how does sleep impact mood and stress and a lot of those things from your experience?
Speaker 2:I mean, I guess it's like the obvious things that instantly, like you've a tired, cranky, you know like people will just say like I'm just more irritable, I just want to sleep. But I mean again, it depends on, like if you're a shift worker, you're a mother, you get kids waking you up. But if you've got the ability to make that change I mean obviously just basic sleep I feel like, personally, this has been a journey for me the last couple of years because for the first time ever a couple of years ago I remember talking to you about it I was like loggy help.
Speaker 2:I was like you know stuff about help Now you need to help me and you were like you were talking about the brain frequency or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, brain tap, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I was doing everything and again it was 100% anxiety driven, because I was anxious because I wasn't getting sleep, which was creating more anxiety, because then I was tired and it was this vicious cycle that just had to be broken. I think it was a bit of a lesson, but a lesson to also feel really bad for my clients who are really tired, because I was like, what do you mean? You can't sleep. And this is when then Stu would say that to me and I'd be like I'm going to kill you, like I think that you might actually die today because he would just like literally pop his little head on the pillow and within that second he's out, gone asleep.
Speaker 2:And every woman says that to me and I'm like you also can understand. Men run on a 24 hour cycle. It's different. Yeah, but obviously he's got a physical job.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's different, okay Whatever, but for me you know like people will present with like a lot of sleep issues, but then you know a lot of those symptoms again, like it can be anxiety, it can be mood changes, you know that rapid, you know up and down or very like irritable or on edge, which then obviously affects their families and their friends and their work and then how productive they are the next day, but also their food choices, because massive yeah.
Speaker 2:And and weight. Because again, if they're not, you know they're not sleeping instantly that throws their blood sugar levels and so you wake up on a naturally elevated blood sugar level. So then what do people do? Have coffee, skip record, yeah, you know, it might have a just a small cereals full of sugar, Um, and so instantly their blood sugars are now dysregulated for the rest of the day. That dysregulation then creates cravings, on then what you choose to eat. So like if you're I always say like if you if you eat well, the cravings won't come as much because again you feel like you've got better control yeah.
Speaker 2:But then if you're kind of on that roller coaster of like blood sugar drops through the day, like that kind of creates what, you then go for a 10 o'clock and you're probably not going to want to go for a handful of nuts, you're going to want the muffin and the coffee because it's quick energy. You know it's a natural response of the body.
Speaker 2:And so kind of. Then, once you've had that crappy sleep, that just again sets that entire tone for the rest of the day. So then, how you train, how you recover, how your mood is, how your productive you are, what foods you're eating, is this? It's a constant cycle and I've had women who, again I say women more so because, again, like, I think, men like 24 hour cycle hormones. It's a bit more complex with women. But I have women who, like, can't shift weight and it's purely because they were not getting enough sleep.
Speaker 1:And it's so hard to get people to get that. I was listening to a podcast a couple of days ago with a lady in shoe. It was a Amy Senate to me and I was like, whenever Amy sends me a podcast, I'm going to listen to it because I'm excited to hear what she's learning about.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it was on hormones and fasting and then it just went into the women's cycle and I was like holy. Oh yeah, this is a whole yeah, but for the lads listening learn about your partner's cycle or just people that you work with.
Speaker 2:Like this.
Speaker 1:This lady is like.
Speaker 2:You should learn about it, cause it's like a 28 day cycle, roughly, or whatever it is, and the mood changes so much and so it should and it's okay, and and training around that and like, learning to like and this is a big thing that I say with women is like stop also comparing yourself to your husband, stop expecting to wake up, and then be like okay, the week before my period, when I'm meant to be naturally like internalizing and resting and having more downtime and you're expecting yourself to run on a 24 hour biological clock.
Speaker 2:It's not going to happen. So don't train like that, then eat differently and then rest differently and then just acknowledge that. But again, yeah, like for men, that could be really helpful, because if they then can pick and choose when to aggravate, them literally play the game. Yeah, Like we'll just say yeah, baby, you should have enough and enjoy that. Do you want me to make you a cup of tea?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll get you a cup of tea.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, Do that because, again, like you can really you know A be very supportive then to her stress it's being about a partner Like then you're going to probably help yourself and you're not going to get in so much shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%. You might get lucky more too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's a tip for the boys. That's the one. They're like a little pig cycle yeah.
Speaker 1:They're like I don't care about making a happy, but get lucky more.
Speaker 2:I mean no, but she's such a raging bitch. Oh, I can't handle it. Oh, Jakes, and I'm like don't you dare.
Speaker 1:But it was funny because he asked he asked when she was explaining it. It's like so how would you then flip that for men? And she's like it's a simple cycle.
Speaker 2:It's a daily cycle, no-transcript.
Speaker 1:We're simple beings. Yeah, I was like all right. Well, that makes sense, I reckon men.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm really gizzing the shits, and this is why I love actually working with men. It's a real breeze, because A plus B will see, you know like.
Speaker 1:it's why I work with men as well, Because literally like simple beings, very, very simple.
Speaker 2:Whereas, whereas women, it's a whole nother complexity and that's a whole nother thing. But yeah, like it's just a lot to do with them again how they're treating themselves, but also not comparing themselves to their male co-worker or the guy that they're working out with or their partner, you know, being like why can't I do that, Like I can never find the energy, or pushing themselves to that degree and then expecting the same outcome.
Speaker 1:So with those blokes who's a lot of blokes do say to me I can't get to sleep. They might have you know their active mind I hear that all the time and it really Can't shut my brain off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can't shut that off?
Speaker 1:How would you sort of navigate with someone who's throwing that at you? Obviously you know you've linked it to poor food choices throughout the day, maybe not exercising well, maybe not journaling, and then it's just a rinse and repeat cycle. How would you go about helping someone break that cycle?
Speaker 2:Beyond, like obviously, okay, what are you eating through the day? Or what time are you training? So like I'll say to the people, like, what are you eating before bed? You know, it's like on a spike your blood sugar is that?
Speaker 2:then I got it's going to wake you up at 2am because you're going to dip, and so now you're awake and now you're spiraling Self care, you know, like what are you doing in that hour before bed. You know it's big too. You know what are you doing. How do you? How are you creating a wine down space? So I do talk a lot about sleep hygiene. So an hour before bed, devices down, turn the lights off, like stop with the LED, like bright lights in your face until you go to sleep.
Speaker 2:How do you think melatonin can rise if you know it, it, it it's a blue light, it's daylight yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And so then I say like, yeah, that you know, puts off music on, turn the telly off, don't watch the news. Like try not to be overstimulated, you know, don't have caffeinated drinks, don't drink alcohol. It's the obvious things. But then it can be things like there's really great supplements out there too. And again that's sometimes where, beyond that, and people are like I'm doing all the things Taylor and they jump sometimes are, and they still just can't sleep. But also because the body's now created a bit of a rhythm and so now they're waking at set times every night because now their body's used to doing it. It's all a big rhythm, it's a big, you know, skating rhythm. But I say to them that's when you could implement, like different herbal medicines, different magnesiums. Again, the form of a magnesium for muscle versus sleep is different. So, yeah, don't expect to take this form for your muscle recovery and then potentially that have that same impact with your sleep.
Speaker 1:So what am I having? I don't even know. Now I've got the biaceutical stuff.
Speaker 2:It's like ultra muscle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I think it's citrate and chelate. So is that is more muscle recovery. But you know how they have also like ultra muscle is. That's because they'll change the form of the magnesium.
Speaker 1:What does Amy have?
Speaker 2:now yeah.
Speaker 1:She buy some supplementary stuff. She'll have, because I'll just use hers.
Speaker 2:She'll have. It's a. It's a mixed form. It's citrate, glycinate and orate, which is heart, muscle and nervous.
Speaker 1:Can I just take that from her yeah?
Speaker 2:go on.
Speaker 1:Thanks, amy, also get a paper. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll pay for it.
Speaker 2:But yeah, so it depends. Then then yeah, and sometimes then we'll also use different herbal medicines that will help to restore the circadian rhythm and just encourage that regular sleep pattern and so then again, hopefully they won't need it to fall asleep. But yeah, again, then if those chronic issues are kind of going on, then I'll say maybe we should do some testing, check what your melatonin is. A lot of people know melatonin. They'll try melatonin. It doesn't work for me, but it's always the issue. Yeah, it's like that wind up to bed, what they're eating through the day, how they, like you know, starting their morning. Sunlight exposure is the big one.
Speaker 2:So I said to people, even if you've had the worst sleep, like still get up at the same time, still get out in the sun within an hour, like get that sunlight on your face, Because how many people do just like they'll just go straight from their closed in home to then in the car into the office.
Speaker 2:There's no sunlight exposure. So it's again about supporting the circadian rhythm blue light. Go back out at lunchtime, watch the sunset, watch that actual motion. Then set the lights at home to be the same and get your hippie salt lamp out. She hates that thing. He's like fucking salt lamp, you know so there's things like that and then in support that circadian rhythm.
Speaker 2:And there's also research that showed like people who went camping for three days had the ability to help reset the circadian rhythm. Because, again, like you're just going with the flow of the state of being, but people are pushing that limit all the time.
Speaker 1:We took the lads camping out to Gereween National Park at Christmas and it was a dry like we weren't. No one was allowed to drink as well, because we want to help men develop the skills to communicate without alcohol. And when you get the campfire like blaring, turn her up boys light her up.
Speaker 2:That's all it was. None of us actually know men. We don't know how to light the fire.
Speaker 1:We were camping in the front of our house but like the conversations that started flowing but everyone was up at the crack of dawn after a couple of days and go into bed. At a reasonable time, you know you have last night and everyone's like all right. Well, yeah, ready for bed now.
Speaker 2:And I'm like this is how it is and it feels everyone was super chilled out. It feels so good spending out all day outside, like you're just getting the natural ebb and flow of that rhythm.
Speaker 1:And I guess that's where, like places like Wingana and some of those retreats you did speak about that are an immersive experience, are a great way to reset. But then you're going to have that follow through plan and I think many of the things you've said have really just come back down to being intentional, like being intentional with what you put in your body, making sure that if they're, if you are struggling to sleep, be intentional with your wind down routine or how you are dealing with stress the foods that you're putting in exercise all of that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1:Go searching for answers and work out what works for your body, because, once again, we are all unique.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and there's so much like there's so many resources out there now to you know on how to set up and how to establish a good sleep rhythm. And I think again you've just got to like again, go hunting a little bit further and, like, have a bit more of an attempt of like, okay, how could I help myself and start again, start small, try and just drop the laptop or put the phones down now before and see how that goes. Or, you know, make sure the bright lights are off and, you know, in the first thing in the morning, get out and just literally sometimes it's so cold I'll just literally stand at the window and it's hard because I'm not a morning person.
Speaker 2:I've tried, you know. I've just let that go. I'm not going to stress myself with that anymore. I'm just naturally better at night, but I give myself like routine because then I know yeah but that's another thing, is routine because, again, like a body, the body will process that.
Speaker 2:So if you can create like a really good one hour one down period before bed each night and you just keep saying like you keep doing kind of the same pattern before that bed, it's the body. Then it reads that and is like oh, this is our wind down pattern, it's timed for quarter to draw up melatonin to increase and so your sleep quality is better. Because a lot of people too will get eight hours, nine hours, whatever. Men on average need less again the last 24 hour cycles. But you know, if then they're, you know, doing all those things but they're not getting good quality, then that's also another thing to look at, because people will be like, yeah well, I get eight hours, but it's not good quality or it's at the wrong time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm waking up so many times, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or they're just like not even, it's just not restorative. Or, yeah, they're going to sleep and they're getting from like 12 till six, or they're getting 12 till seven, so it's still seven hours.
Speaker 1:How from your understanding like how important is that? Because there are people who say I'm a night owl and there's a great book, why Are we Sleep? By Matthew Walker, who talks about different styles like the chronotypes, yeah, chronotypes. And when I read that I was like it makes sense, but I'm still a big believer. It's like dusk and dawn, like that's when you should be sort of naturally doing that, because I see a lot of people who I, who stay up till midnight and sleep till tonight.
Speaker 2:That's when I do better and again I'm like okay, I do believe you, but also got to be within reason, because the world functions not on your chronotype and then the people that I see are a little bit more overweight they struggle with moods and weights, like in the section.
Speaker 1:you know the tire and a lot of that sort of stuff, and I go, okay, well, that may be what you feel is the case, but have you tried?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, like winding it back Because people don't know.
Speaker 1:Like even for me, I didn't know how unhealthy I was until I really, like I was playing bloody top level sport and stuff and I thought I was healthy. I was drinking piss till four AM I'd play footy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I can play footy all day, so I'm fine, I'm good, I dropped the ball a few times, but hey, we're good. I'm sick, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But then when I really I started fasting and I started cutting out alcohol, looking at what I put into my body and like my mental clarity and like this fog lifted and I was right Wow, yeah, I thought I was functioning high function then. But now I'm like how could you be?
Speaker 2:objective. Yeah, like how do?
Speaker 1:you know exactly yeah.
Speaker 2:And so, yeah, I do say like to those people who are like, no, I'm just more productive, or, like a lot of people say, like it's just good, because then once the kids are down, then I can get all my stuff done, and I'm like, yeah, but then, like, because of your hormones and because of this, you know, then you're probably not getting good quality sleep. And they say in Chinese medicine it's 10 to 12 is adrenal restoring time.
Speaker 2:Yeah so then if you're constantly like pushing that from like midnight on midnight on midnight on, you could still get the hours in and people get really attached to the hours. But I'm like it's the timing also because, yeah, again you could miss that good quality with the cortisol and the melatonin and how that's meant to rise at a certain time too. You can't, you can't change that. That's a circadian rhythm that's built in. So you can't kind of be like you know what melatonin we're going to need at 1am, not 10pm when it's naturally at its highest.
Speaker 2:So, you've got to kind of roll with that. And I say again like that's been a challenge for me because personally, again, like I am a nighttime person, I just have so much more energy at night. But again, like I'm very intentional about my wine down, I do the same thing before I go to bed most nights. I mean, it's not always perfect, but it's just about also then giving myself boundaries. And sometimes I do get into bed and I'm like I could definitely not sleep right now, but I'm like she's snoring.
Speaker 1:She may as well get it done. That's much black mirror, yeah.
Speaker 2:So then I'm like, okay, we'll do something. That's going to make me tired, you know, read or whatever. And again, mornings are a little bit trickier for me. But I've just acknowledged that I'm not going to be that 4am person. But you know, somewhere between six and seven is good for me.
Speaker 1:That's what works. It is good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is nice I mean. But then I am via the 4am. I'm like imagine how much I could get done before. But I just I've tried. I'm like, nah, you know what, taylor, anything is possible. Just set your alarm the same time, you know, for a whole month and change your cycle.
Speaker 1:Like you can do it, I can't do it. I literally forced my force myself to and I don't. I was doing a presentation and I was like I literally wake up every morning resentful and like bitter and everyone's like you.
Speaker 2:Why are you doing it?
Speaker 1:And I'm like I've never really thought about it and this dude put me on the spot and I was like if I'm being honest, then I don't like getting up at four.
Speaker 1:I get up at four because it's my, it's like what I've convinced myself I need to do yeah conditioned myself to be successful but also to have the time for me to read and not be distracted by emails, and so it does work well, but I hate it. And so now that I've been researching more, now listen to a lot of your stuff, listen to a lot of other stuff on the impact of sleep I'm like, okay, well, when we move, I'm changing my routine, and it's six, and I'm okay with that, because now that I've been testing it more on some days, yeah, and I'm like I'm not losing anymore.
Speaker 1:I'm actually more productive. I'm enjoying waking up.
Speaker 2:You're waking up feeling like, okay, I'm rested, I'm ready for the day. Now, yeah, and I think that first hour of how you spend the morning is big, you know if you're going to wake up and check your phone and scroll any emails and things straight away. Well, like it doesn't really matter what time you're waking up, it's just going straight into fight or flight, aren't you?
Speaker 1:I read a stat the other day that the average punter scrolls the same amount of as the height of the what's Statue of Liberty in New York every day. That's a lot of scrolling. That is a lot of scrolling.
Speaker 2:I think of the RSI coming our way. Yeah, and technique, yeah, don't get me started.
Speaker 1:But, Taylor, I want to respect your time. I know Stu is having some pints. We need to grab him. Hopefully we're not going to save him from the Chippies, but it's been an absolute pleasure and, with your permission, we'll get you back on here again Because there's so many other topics I want to dive into with you that we didn't even get to cover today. But where can people find you?
Speaker 2:So at the moment I'm working in like a clinical space in Toowoomba. So at this current stage, because of the said baby, I'm not taking any more initial clients for now, but I'll be back in the new year, so 2024. And then, yeah, my books will be back open eventually, but again, I do try to. I'm not as good as it should be because you know timing and life and that's my excuse.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I do have an Instagram page as well, so I'm sure you'll be able to come up with that.
Speaker 2:And then I do try to work, do some workshops as well, and so, yeah, I might actually get you down to Brisbane after the baby, like once you're to get a workshop for us with, and we can actually.
Speaker 1:Can you do all that testing Like if we were to there? And then yeah, like this live a testing in.
Speaker 2:how would that work? You could pre do them all, Like you could have everyone's results there, and then I could roll through.
Speaker 1:We're definitely doing that because what we're doing so I'm going to be flying back every quarter and we're doing a workshop where it's we're going to aim for the blows to have their bloods done every six months but if, depending on the results, they can get it done more frequently, where we actually do that with them and they get the results and the professional will come through and talk about it, so you can see different people's results, so it makes you more aware. But even now that I know about this stress testing and whatnot, and your testosterone can be income like incorporated in that too.
Speaker 2:So you can do all your sex hormones, but also your stress hormones.
Speaker 1:That's what I got tested the other day so I probably did even make. Could I have got? I actually don't. I'll show you what I got tested. I got tested shit loads of stuff because I've got some clients doing that, because I've got some clients doing to our T therapy and stuff like that now, but they'd never had a baseline.
Speaker 2:So good.
Speaker 1:So it's like interesting to watch them do it, but I'm like I want a baseline, yeah, preferably again if you're not an unwell person like, why would you ever have had bloods done?
Speaker 2:But, yeah, I'm always encouraged and I always encourage people to reach out, like, even if I can't help you, but you're in a different area and you want to see someone face to face Like I. You know we're really well connected so I can always you know, pop you in the right place or like make some suggestions and yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm big on education, so I'm a big fan of people who, just like I know, I know, I know, I love it. So much.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, maybe pre like post baby, when I can control when the baby cries.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. No, that'll be fair Interrupting. Thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for having me.
