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My Marathon Training: Pilates, Nutrition, and Recovery Essentials | Kathleen Seagar #609
In this conversation, Lachlan and Kathleen discuss the preparation for Lachlan's upcoming challenge of running 58 marathons. They explore the importance of mobility, strength training, and nutrition in enhancing performance and recovery. Kathleen shares insights about her online Pilates platform, Move Better Online, and how it can benefit both men and women. They also delve into the challenges of travel, the mental aspects of endurance running, and the role of supplements in training. The conversation emphasizes the interconnectedness of physical health, nutrition, and mental well-being in achieving athletic goals.
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🤝 Pilates is beneficial for both men and women, despite common misconceptions.
🤝 Travel can impact sleep and nutrition, affecting overall health.
🤝 Understanding individual body responses is key to effective training.
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Do Something Today To Be Better For Tomorrow
Today we have one of the women that can we do. We're starting off with a new series where I'm going to be interviewing health experts who are doing cool stuff for one, but also are going to help me get my body primed and prepped for the 58 marathons coming up, because I thought, as much as I'm going to be learning a lot, I should interview the cool people to learn even more, so that you guys can take away insights and maybe learn a lot of new stuff, because not only will the things that I'm learning and implementing now help for marathons, et cetera, they're going to help for everyday life. So we've got my sister-in-law, kathleen Seeger Pilates instructor, physiotherapist, guitar tech what else can we put on there?
Speaker 2:Brody.
Speaker 1:Brody, okay, we've got all the and you're currently running a company called Move Better Online.
Speaker 2:Pilates and Mobility.
Speaker 1:Yep, I heard that. Can you give everyone a quick rundown first on what that actually is?
Speaker 2:And then we'll dive into this. Absolutely. Thanks for having me Lucky. Move Better Online was a platform that I created because I can't work here in America, so I wanted to connect with my clientele back home, also needed a purpose, and I wanted to do something that was fitness-based. I really miss the Pilates, so I launched an online Pilates platform which has mobility in it as well, because I want to make it targeted to both men and women. I do find Pilates is often targeted to just females, so I wanted to change that?
Speaker 1:Why are blokes scared of Pilates?
Speaker 2:I think because it looks so pretty and petite and it's also girly. But true, pilates, I mean, it was designed by a male.
Speaker 1:And there's a difference between reformers, pilates and mat Pilates right, and so is your online Pilates, mat Pilates right.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's all mat Pilates, so it's designed to be able to do it anywhere, any place, comfort of your own home, in a, a lounge room, in a hotel room, on the road, like what we'll be doing. So I've tried to make it just in the matte space.
Speaker 1:I love that because often the reformers I did reformers with you and it kicked my ass. It hurt so much. But you need those expensive machines and you either have to go to the gym and it doesn't really work. It's like body weight training as opposed to having to go into a gym and use a barbell.
Speaker 2:It's good rehab, but yeah, it's a lot more. You have to be in a clinical practice or a studio for it, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's cool that you are doing it as well for multiple reasons, and I like the transparency because I think a lot of people say they're doing something for one of the reasons, but there's so many facets around like one we need to be. You and I are both in the same position where we can't work in the us, so it's which sucks, yeah, so then it's like how do you make the most of a situation and still do what you want, find purpose and, yeah, do what you're already qualified in and enjoy doing as well?
Speaker 2:yes, I, I know you struggle with this. It's such a, such a bug bear of mine being here when people talk to you about healthcare and mobility and injuries and I'm like I know all the things and I can fix it, I can do whatever you want me to do, but I can't do anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like you literally can't do a single thing, because if we do that, we jeopardize everyone's business.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's not worth it. So that's how Move Better Online came about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is exciting, and so I'm going to be using it purely from the point of strengthening up a lot of muscles. So the way I see it with running is my core, because I'm not doing as much strength training. It's going to help with my core and especially the hips because, I noticed a lot of long distance runners have, like, flat asses and they're just weak. Yeah, I mean, it's not great for your physique. Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to keep my physique.
Speaker 2:Pilates will help.
Speaker 2:I mean it'll be great for your body fat percentage, but pilates will be great to just build your hip flexor strength glutes as well, because you're going to be sitting for such long periods with all your travel yeah, um, and it'll be a way that you can rehab those little niggles before they start to impact your running, like, as you're starting to feel like things are changing and whether it's shoes or snow or sand, whatever's bothering you, we can release it and then start to strengthen that, depending on what the next run is like yeah, and so with the like program.
Speaker 1:So obviously they're not just like one-off modules or episodes, it's actually like, uh, periodized six-week plan.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's a six-week six-week course, four pilates sessions a week and a mobility session a week, and then from there there'll be extra sessions that you can go back and do 10-minute ones, 15-minute ones, you can double back and do classes that you liked. But yeah, the six weeks is the work.
Speaker 1:What are they like?
Speaker 2:30-minute sessions 30-minute workouts Perfect.
Speaker 1:Because it fits in and around your stuff. So for me, for example, I could technically hit it before I hit a run, or something like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean doing a 30-minute mobility session for you before you run would be ideal. Yeah, it'd be really good, that would help, and even if you did 30 minutes of Pilates before. Help activate things, particularly your hip flexors and glutes, and then go out on the run. You probably feel a lot better. You won't have as much sways through your hips you might find. Your thoracic mobility is opened up up. It'll be really good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm gonna be tight as all buggery like I can just feel it now two weeks in. Yeah, the first two runs are gonna be great. Yeah, this is amazing. Then my hips will just be locked. That's where I think the mobility and I feel I was thinking about it today when I was running. I was like I need to make sure that it's just like a non-negotiable that I stretch before and after as much as I'm going to be cooked, build it into your routines and try and make.
Speaker 2:Like you know, you'll eat, get up, eat, stretch, run stretch rub down as a physio, so like tapping into the physio side of you.
Speaker 1:What do you feel like some potential problems I'm going to face?
Speaker 2:I think the fatigue sleep and fatigue are going to be the two things that will cause the injury Like I don't doubt that you'll be able to do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But it's the sleeping whilst traveling, which we've just done on the road with Shepard, is particularly challenging, and making sure you're eating enough so you then sleep well, and also sleeping well whilst on the road is challenging, but then not letting that compound. So if you have a bad sleep, that run making sure you either have a nap the next day, or because the sleep part is so important for your recovery, your cells will just fall apart if you don't sleep.
Speaker 1:I know that's what we need to wipe the slate clean every day and it's not as simple. This is where I'm grateful I've done the rowing, because what was the stuff you gave me, the um, oh neuro, calm uh metagenics.
Speaker 2:Neuro calm is a really great supplement that helps calm the nervous system, particularly for things like this or if you're just really anxious. Generally I take it when I'm traveling and I can't get to sleep. But there's a NeuroCalm Soothe and there's a NeuroCalm Sleep and they just calm your system down. So if you're really heightened and panicky, like you'll be doing, oh yeah. There's so much going on for your nervous system that really helps to calm that down because that was the.
Speaker 1:I think that's one of the biggest things I'm worried about, because technically, like let's say, the marathon's taking four and a half hours, then I can lay down anyway, because we're going to have a van, which most people's thoughts would be oh you just sleep as soon as you're done you'll be wrecked. But what I experienced after rowing all the marathons because, your body's so fried you can't sleep. It feels like these electrical currents are going down your legs and it's just like constantly jolting.
Speaker 2:And also when you exercise too late at night.
Speaker 1:It keeps you up.
Speaker 2:So, depending on what time of day you're doing it, you're going to have to do somewhat like breath work or meditation and those neurocalms and lots of magnesium just to settle your mind and then settle your body. Because I think, yeah, the muscle activity, particularly late in the day, is going to send your brain crazy.
Speaker 1:I know it's going to kick my ass.
Speaker 2:It's going to be interesting for us all to see, though, because I have never treated someone who's done the marathons that you did. The marathon rows were great. It gave us an idea, but you did them at the same time every day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So so by the evening you were tired, whereas these will be dependent on travel and where we go, flights, drive times.
Speaker 1:I'm worried about the flights.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I feel the biggest thing for me, I think for you, will be Australia, like I think Australia will be harder than America.
Speaker 1:I also agree.
Speaker 2:It's the Hawaii leg that's going to kill us.
Speaker 1:It's fucking like.
Speaker 2:That's a much longer flight than I thought.
Speaker 1:Yeah, last night we were at dinner and I don't know why we'd never threw it around. So we're going to hawaii tomorrow, like in two days. Two days yeah and it's a six roughly now what do we go nashville to?
Speaker 2:la is like five hours, then six hours from, oh sorry, san francisco la. Where are we la la hawaii? Yeah to hawaii, honolulu, think will be six hours. And then we thought it was like an eight-hour flight, Easy peasy. No, it's 10 hours 45. Yeah, yeah nearly 11.
Speaker 1:So it's like that for me, if I don't end up flying business which I'm going to do everything in my power to try and fly business, so I can lay down, but if I'm sitting upright in actually even premium economy would be all right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think we're. I mean, I'm fine sleeping upright but that will ruin your hip flexors. But it's being able to switch off because you've got set times.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like you, I think I would recommend. And like when you fly, everything puffs up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd recommend taking medication then to at least help, like lots of melatonin taking medication, then to at least help, like lots of melatonin, some of those anti-inflammatories the pm advil, pm, fabulous.
Speaker 1:We might be popping some of those.
Speaker 2:Hopefully I wake up from that, you know yeah, I mean that that will take the priority over, I think, sleep over fueling on on those longer legs for australia 100 because if you've got those 900 calorie supplements, oh, you'd be laughing.
Speaker 1:I literally found this company called Precision, something Anyway, but they have gels, please sponsor him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, please sponsor me.
Speaker 1:I've literally just messaged him before.
Speaker 2:He'll edit that in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll edit that in. No, I'll use his stuff, but they're 30 gram ones, which is like 300 calories roughly. But then I was on their website and they have 90 grams, which is about 900 calories.
Speaker 2:I remember thinking like if you had one of those a day, you'd survive.
Speaker 1:I just drink two of those during the run, I'll be gaining big time. That's good, that's what we want, but it's like yeah, it'll be fun, It'll be interesting that, but that's like and having the data like. I love the WHOOP as well, so I want to talk about my body physically in a minute, but having the data to see how my nervous system is responding will be very cool.
Speaker 2:Did you have that from the row?
Speaker 1:I do, yeah, and how did you?
Speaker 2:find that with your sleep in the row, I haven't actually checked. We should go back and check that.
Speaker 1:My sleep was crap for the first little bit until I got on the NeuroCalms. I remember there were so many nights where I was just like twitching and my feet were just like Cramping. That electrical feeling. It feels like someone's got a feather just tickling your feet and you're just like Contract, contract, contract yeah. And you couldn't sleep. You were so exhausted.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And all you wanted to do was fall asleep. But I couldn't fall asleep.
Speaker 2:Yeah I, if you can get past that again yeah that'll really help and I think I'll be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but like my heart rate. Even watching my heart rate when I was rowing was like 145 roughly for the first seven, yeah, but then after seven it dropped down to 120 and this is rowing a marathon at two minute. You're sitting at like two minutes. Six average per kilometer, which is sorry 500, which is pretty quick, like most people can't do that for 500.
Speaker 2:No, I couldn't do that.
Speaker 1:And that was my whole marathon. So I'm very interested to see like at the moment my heart rate sits at about depending on the weather like the heat, but sort of 141 average at a 530 pace. So I'm interested to see if it drops down into the 120s after like seven marathons or if it just jacked up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, your body gets used to it. Yeah, I think I'm really interested to see how you go on the snow, because I feel like, recovery-wise, the snow will be much better for you because it will keep all the inflammation down. It will help you sleep because it's cooler core temperature.
Speaker 1:Just go into a snow angel after we run.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like wrap you up into a big, you know sleeping bag. Put me in a big soup, I'll be sleeping bag and and I feel like you'll sleep a lot better, so that will help your recovery. So I'm keen to see how you go for that stink, because that's the first lot, so that might make the first seven days easier, much more manageable?
Speaker 1:I hope so, but you know my body pretty well as well, because you've been treating it for like at least five years, probably eight, yeah like ankles hips it's changed a lot depending on your Ankles used to be some more so when you were doing the sprinting and the CrossFit. What do you feel based on what you know physically? Is it like the hip flexors or do you feel like other areas could potentially go?
Speaker 2:I think hip flexors definitely because of the travel involved. Just from doing that with what we've just done off the road with Shepard. Your hip flexors just get so tight, but then because of that your quads get tight and then your knees get tight and I know you have a bit of tendency to get sore knee on the one side. If it's not your hips, it'll be your calves and feet. But if we can prevent your hips, the calves and feet will survive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, does that make sense?
Speaker 2:I think it will be. I feel like it will be my feet and Achilles, yeah, and that will also change as the weather changes because the cold might be good for it, but also snow will be soft. So it's going to load your Achilles a hell of a lot more, but then in the warmth the tendon will stretch out and might have a lot more range.
Speaker 1:I'm in Australia.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I definitely think your lower body, of course. But then when we're sitting in the car for so many hours like your thoracic, that midsection through your ribs there gets so tight, what do you reckon I do for that? Foam rolling, a lot of foam rolling. Where you like, arch back over it, but also do like your lats, just to open you up. And then lots of those lizard stretching where you rotate Lizards stretching.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Because that'll just help and probably while you're running it'll ease out, because you're actually. The problem when we were on the road with Shevard is we were loading in, loading out and then sitting in the car and sleeping. So we weren't doing the movement so much the movement actually might help.
Speaker 1:Yeah, do you think would there be like a specific warm-up I should be doing Like it comes to mind, or like any movements that you think should be incorporated into a warm-up.
Speaker 2:I think definitely like some clams and glute bridges for you just to get your glutes, like, activated so you're not dumping into your hip flexors, yeah, so the more activity and activation we get there, the better it'll be Just get a booty band, booty bands, booty bands and little weights for your ankles. I think that would be like you don't want to with the calves. You don't want to overload them.
Speaker 2:They're going to be fatigued already, so it will be hip flexor activation stuff and glute activation stuff. So a lot of like leg raises where you're lifting your leg over a yoga block and doing those little like toe taps just to activate through that lower section of your core, and that will be probably what I'm going to focus on now, with Pilates and stuff, to just strengthen the hell out of that. I mean it's a good test, with our travel coming up now anyway.
Speaker 1:True.
Speaker 2:So we can put that to the test with the long flight from Hawaii and then maybe do a Pilates and mobility session when we get to Sydney.
Speaker 1:Good point, yeah, we'll do it. Good point, we'll do it. Test, um, what do you think will be your biggest concern? That's a good question. There's two sides to it, because I'm doing like the business side of it, which is like we're trying to raise funds so we can bring a crew like yourself and and lamb and ideally a videographer, but depending on how that goes, so like all of that in the back end is more stressful than, yeah, physically, like physically it's just like run, do the programming, but I think like eating enough will be hard because I struggle to eat.
Speaker 2:Lucky doesn't have a very big appetite.
Speaker 1:No, it's wild. Actually big appetite, small stomach, yeah big appetite, like I'm always starving and then I'm out full and I'm done.
Speaker 2:He'll eat two spoonfuls and he's like I'm done.
Speaker 1:So that's a big downfall, that's like a very big disadvantage because I'm supposed to be eating roughly. Dean said like 4,000 calories and that's just every day, which is double what. I'm eating, and even today I've tracked my calories. I think I'm at like 1,700.
Speaker 2:Oh my goodness, I know and I still got another training session.
Speaker 1:Amy's going to batten me up.
Speaker 2:Yay, amy's liketen me up. Yay, Amy's like. Can we switch? Can I? Can I be the one that eats your calories?
Speaker 1:load me up alright, sponsor us. I think, though, if you are eating those gels, that'll really help and multiple meals throughout the day yeah, I think it's just gonna be little meals but even like I have to do it now because it's like I tried a different um drink today for training. My guts was so crook and I was like oh no.
Speaker 1:So yeah, that's the hard part, like the gels are good, but I just didn't have any more of them, um, so I was trying a different drink which is high in carbohydrates, but, yeah, my guts did not like it. So I got to test all these things now from a food standpoint. So I think at some point throw it.
Speaker 2:I'm just gonna throw a spanner in your works, but at some point you might shit yourself on their own there's a very high possibility that that's gonna happen, and the cool thing about it is I've never taken a shit in the snow, so that might happen, which could be imagine if it's myself and I have to set up my tripod to do it first excuse me guys, quick break like that's, that's serious business.
Speaker 2:Oh no, that's the money shot I just think of that, because triathletes and ultra marathon runners, particularly females, will get their period on the run and yeah, all sorts of hormonal changes, and then to go to the bathroom. You need to go to the bathroom and it can hit like that when you're running.
Speaker 1:It happened to me in LA Like I didn't shit myself. I don't know whether I've even told this story yet, but I was in LA for my 33rd birthday. We were in LA, so I ran 33K for my 33rd birthday and I was going to pick Liam up I think I was 20K in or something and I just literally got to the traffic lights 900 meters from our Airbnb and out of nowhere.
Speaker 2:I was like I love these stories.
Speaker 1:Holy crap, like I'm about to crap myself, like now.
Speaker 2:And so I'm sitting there pushing the button, and then I've got to the panic that sets in the brow sweat.
Speaker 1:I've gone to run across the road and then it's just like, oh, it's knocking on the door, it's coming. And then I was like, all right, I'm gonna have to walk. I had to walk and I clenched and I was leaning backwards.
Speaker 2:The vibration of like you running can make it worse it was much worse, and the cool thing about la is though actually yeah, you can do it on the street, everyone else is doing it on.
Speaker 1:So I got to the point where there was obviously a lot of um, homeless people and I was like, okay, actually, if I need to do it, I feel very comfortable doing it here. So I'm scouting out where I'm going to do it. I'm getting 400 meters to the house and there's a bush just around the corner. I'm like all right, that's the one because it's going to happen. And then you get like this little moment where you're like nice breath and you're like actually I think I've got this and so I've just like clenched, started slowly walking.
Speaker 1:I'm messaging Liam and Emma. I'm like open the front door, make way, open the doors, open your bathroom door because I'm coming in hot, and as soon as I got to the bottom of the stairs I just sprinted and I made it Hilarious. Just so I've been close, know what you're feeling.
Speaker 2:I look forward to the podcast we do after that's happened, and then we have to fill in about the details.
Speaker 1:I'll lose a lot of followers.
Speaker 2:I mean, eating on the road is really difficult, so we're going to have to try and get you grocery food, I imagine to try and get your calories in, but also to make sure that you're not just eating crap.
Speaker 1:But I think that's. I really feel like this is going to be a good lesson for me, but for people with how it all impacts, every other area because you could be, I could be as physically prepared as possible, like I'm. You know, training as much as possible. But if we end up in like bumfuck Idaho and they don't, have good food.
Speaker 2:Also, it's that compound yeah, the water you can't drink.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you haven't got good water supplies and you're relying on what's there, yeah, that's going to be tough, because then you do get that compound effect as soon as you fall behind. You're playing catch up and it's never fun to play catch up.
Speaker 2:It's too long a back-to-back amount to have catch up To play catch up, so that's where I'm relying on Whoop.
Speaker 1:I hope my goal is to never go into red on this run.
Speaker 2:Oh God, If I can Like. Day two on the road with Sheffield I was in the red and I don't think I recovered for like four days, All right.
Speaker 1:Well, for those who don't know what a WHOOP is, it's like it tracks so many various things about heart rate variability, which is essentially like your nervous system, so you know whether you're stressed or not, and your heart rate, et cetera, but or not, and your heart rate, etc. But then it'll give you a recovery score. I think it's after, like 65 is in the green and above, 65 and above and then 65 down to 30-ish is yellow Under 30 is in red. And it's like then you should not be training.
Speaker 2:It stresses you out as well when you get a yellow, because you're like, please, bounce back and be in the green tomorrow, please. And then when you get two yellows, you're like, please, not be in the red the next day. So you do start to panic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's stressful. No-transcript.
Speaker 2:hundreds of marathons, yeah when you're thinking about what you've got to do next. You've still got to eat. You've still got to sleep.
Speaker 1:That's why I'm picking, like your brain and so many other people's brains. So I have this toolkit of hopefully, things that are one going to prepare me, but also during it are going to be able to help my body recover, like even the thing you showed me years ago. So years ago I had ridiculous foot pain and ankle pain for like two years where I couldn't walk properly.
Speaker 2:I was like I could when I warmed up, but I'd hobble down the stairs like I was 90.
Speaker 1:And then, once my feet got warm, I could move. But then you started scraping my feet and I've since bought the scrapers because they're brutal, but it just helps keep my feet, yeah they're just like metal, essentially a metal blunt knife.
Speaker 2:Then you just the back of a butter knife works as well and you just use it as fascial release so it breaks down the fibers in that fascial tissue and you get more elasticity out of it. Because when we're standing for so long and Lucky was doing so much running in terrible shoes, when you're in track shoes, they just don't have much support. And CrossFit shoes are similar, weightlifting shoes are similar. Weightlifting shoes are similar. They just get so bound. So it really helps to lengthen that fascial tissue out, which I think we'll definitely have to do. My problem, though, with treating you will be during the marathon rose you couldn't tolerate much because there was so much lactic acid in the tissue, so we had to like it was the lightest I've ever treated lucky, but it was the consistency of what. When we did like I was barely touching him, I was like how's that?
Speaker 2:I just well, it would just bruise as well we couldn't afford to have the tissue bruise. You know how normally you have a massage and you've got 24 hours and then you feel a bit sore, but you're not going to train the next day and you let it all settle down. The third day you're like feeling great. You don't have the time to have that down day, so we've got to do it light enough.
Speaker 1:Completely forgot about that. Light enough, that's effective.
Speaker 2:But still, you're still able to train the next day the feet how do we do that? Feet, I think will be fine, because fascial tissue can take a lot more tension, because it doesn't have the same amount of blood supply and you don't hold lactic acid in the fascial tissue it, it'll be like your quads. If we got into your quads too heavy, it'd just make you feel so sick.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So we'd go lighter on those bigger muscles. I think I'd focus more on trigger points rather than that full massage. Yeah right, but then that'll depend. If you're really stiff we might do more stretching like active movement stuff, where I release it with you lifting and lowering your leg or I hold that trigger point and you're actively doing it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm interested to see, at a clinical standpoint, of what you can tolerate and what the body and the muscles recovery is like, depending on which way we attack it, whether we go a little bit more specific or we just go global and really, really light.
Speaker 1:And do you feel like my nutrition? If I have my nutrition dialed in and I'm eating well, like technically, I should be recovering better as well, right, oh yeah, and the sleep side of things.
Speaker 2:I think the carbs will be crucial. Like, if you can nail your carb intake, you're not going to be holding as much lactic acid in the tissue. You'll have more carb stores in the tissue, you won't be breaking down the muscle, so it won't be as horrible to get released, so avoid the risk of rhabdo. Yeah, so where you can keep your carb stores really, really high, that's going to benefit you the most.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Even for marathons, just like start loading your carbs two days before.
Speaker 2:I'm like I'm not, I'd be loading your carbs now with you. It's pizzas, non Pizza's non-stop, but getting the right what you can tolerate in and the right amount, because you still need to be up to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So you don't want to just be like.
Speaker 1:Put purely carbs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, purely carbs, fibers and stuff, but then also protein. Protein is going to help your cells regenerate and the muscle regenerate and repair, because you're going to have so much One needs roughly like 2.2 grams per body weight.
Speaker 1:Like the fiber is tearing, I need roughly like 2.2 grams per body weight, which I assume I'm going to lose body weight, yeah, and I wonder whether that number changes though depending on like per body weight, per movement, because it will put hours exercised, because you're going to.
Speaker 2:I haven't looked into that, yeah he's going to go through those protein stores You're going to. They're your last resort before your own protein stores your muscle which we don't want to get through, but you want to have a hell of a lot more protein stores in your system as well.
Speaker 1:So technically I need to be like aiming for like 300.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd be going really high. I mean, talk to your nutritionist. But the more carb stores, the more protein stores you have in your body, the less degeneration you're going to get. It's a steak and iron, yeah, I'd be having a steak and eggs for breakfast, but it's like getting that on, the road is tough.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what hopefully the van we get so a messages company called American Cruise.
Speaker 2:Can we have a little trangy? Yeah, yeah, but it has like a full-on kitchenette and everything.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's good. So if we get that, I should be sweet.
Speaker 2:So Liam is going to be the chef. He doesn't know it yet, but he's going to learn to cook a meat steak, literally just steak and cheese. Steak cheese and eggs. Yeah, because eggs is at least an easier way to get calories in.
Speaker 1:It's super simple.
Speaker 2:And then heaps and heaps of rice.
Speaker 1:That's one thing I want to avoid is like even when I did the marathons here, I was drinking like coke and stuff, and because I see a lot, of ultra runners doing that and I think ultra one.
Speaker 2:Ultra runners can get away with it, because it's just that 24 hour steam and you can crash and burn and then you can, you know, do your own recovery whatever that looks like, but I've had clients who've done um, those ultra, like you know, 300k rides for five days straight or 10 days straight.
Speaker 2:And the ones that survive and do it well and find their sleep is really good are the ones that worry about their nutrition, those that just do it on like beer and burgers and just have fun, but it's not ideal for their nutrition. Their sleep is the one that suffers and then they get injured yeah, so it's like almost a marathon approach around your nutrition yeah, like so, much so many questions I need to figure out around nutrition, but I'm slowly dialing in and Dean's helping me. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But it's probably crucial to helping my sleep, which then helps my recovery, which then….
Speaker 2:It's all linked. Yeah, I mean you're getting the compression boots?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm getting the compression boots.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they will be really good as well, because that'll help lessen a lot of inflammation. I can't wait.
Speaker 1:After the last marathon I didn't put them on. My legs were so inflamed.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, your knees will be ridiculous, the patterns in them.
Speaker 1:I was like I didn't realize how swollen my legs were.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and because you're going to be eating more carbs, you're. So, there's a fine balance of like. If you eat too many burgers, your knees will inflame from just the shitty carb.
Speaker 1:I think I'm literally going to go as clean as possible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that would be my recommendation. It would just be like maybe depending on calories, just the injury risk.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the idea is like to have, because I've also got to train to eat enough I've got to like stretch the belly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's going to take some time for lucky. If it was me, 24 hours, I'd be good you're good to go, I'm stretching the belly.
Speaker 1:I could do the brownies, but like eating good stuff.
Speaker 2:You want to stay clear of sugar because that will your inflammation around your ankles will be horrible. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I remember running off the back of a heap of sugar. I think it was the marathon. I ran on the cruise and my knees were hurting after like 8Ks. Yeah, no, and I don't want to prove that person who commented on my Instagram the other day, being like I want to invest in you for your knee replacement. I was like fuck you.
Speaker 2:We're not going to need a knee replacement. We're not needing a knee replacement, we're going to eat better. I mean, are knee replacement? I just eat better.
Speaker 1:I mean, are you taking supplements? Collagen? Yeah, so at the moment I'm taking broths, fish oils, not taking collagen. I will once we get back to australia and I get my it's easier other stuff, but here trying to find stuff and yeah the exchange rate and stuff.
Speaker 2:I'm just because that all the collagen magnesium that'll help you depend depending on how much you can get in with the magnesium that'll help you. Yeah, Depending on how much you can get in with the magnesium that'll help release you because you won't feel like you're getting as many cramps. Interesting. It'll also like hold the fluid in your muscles as opposed to around the joints.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So that'll help with your recovery definitely.
Speaker 1:Sweet.
Speaker 2:So good magnesium vital.
Speaker 1:Vital With the stretching side of things and the mobility side of things, like what would you be recommending?
Speaker 2:I do like daily mobility, or I think you have to do it daily, just to counteract the travel yeah I mean, I've never treated someone who's done this amount of exercise back to back so I'm interested to see how much you require, because it might also be too much load on your muscles and joints, to then go in and do a half an hour the following morning and then that evening.
Speaker 1:Because you wouldn't want to be doing like intense stretching.
Speaker 2:No, but you just holding a couch stretch might be too intense. So it might be the sort of thing where you're lifting and lowering your leg to do like you know, old school hamstring stretch and pumping your ankle up and down. That's excruciating Like. I'm really interested to see how you can tolerate stretching, because some people I know, particularly for me, if my hips are really tight, I get angry.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because you hold a lot of emotions. But how do you release that enough but not irritate the joints but also not fatigue them? So the next day you're going in more mobility, but they're really fatigued. So it's that fine balance and maybe that'll be a time thing. We'll stretch for 10 minutes as opposed to half an hour, but it'll really. I've never treated anyone that's done this much load.
Speaker 1:I'm very interested. I'm a guinea pig for people, but that's why I'm going to track and test as much data as possible.
Speaker 2:I think the mobility will work around, depending on how you're feeling anyway. Yeah, but it might be more crucial on those longer car rides, longer flights. So I imagine in Australia we'll do a bit more.
Speaker 1:Australia is going to be hell Like. Those flights are not going to be ideal.
Speaker 2:Australia is so far apart. It's literally like America, like the size of America, it is the size, but there's not all the stops in the middle, no, there's literally. Thankfully there's not 50 states, so I'd be screwed. Yeah, that would be hard.
Speaker 1:But having eight states across the same landmass is insane.
Speaker 2:Yeah, are you doing Tasmania? Yeah, oh, my goodness.
Speaker 1:Because you go Sydney, canberra, melbourne, tasmania, adelaide, perth, darwin, brisbane, wow.
Speaker 2:Oh, the Darwin one. What?
Speaker 1:time of year.
Speaker 2:are you doing that? What are we doing? March?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's going to be hot. Australia's going to be hot. I'm coming from negatives to then quite warms. That's going to be interesting on the body That'll be another thing that'll depend on Like magnesium hydration.
Speaker 2:Yep, and getting enough salt in so you're not dehydrated, particularly in those humid Queensland's so humid salt in so you're not dehydrated, particularly in those humid, like queensland's so humid, darwin's gonna be so humid. It's gonna be a shock, especially after 50 days in the snow and perth is so dry, so perth, melbourne and adelaide might be really dry, and it's about maintaining like because you it's like at least with when you're in the humidity you sweat yeah but there's like moisture in the air, but where it's like dry, it's gonna like your mouth will get cotton mouth and your eyes will be dry.
Speaker 2:So it's those little things that you wouldn't have thought about, that you might end up getting like an eye rash or like you need eye droppers for those locations because it's going to be so cold, or even idaho, like the oxygen, because it's such high elevation, so hectic the air is so thin, so when we were running in Boise, Idaho whatever, how do you pronounce it? I didn't do that one. I ran in Colorado.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, colorado as well is freaking.
Speaker 2:It was like running with a weight vest on and then heaving like you had a pack of cigarettes for the run and I only ran like 12K. I think I did five and it was hell. It felt like your chest was being compressed. That would be interesting yeah they're going to be interesting tests because once again, unless you go to the areas, like you can't train for that, it's just.
Speaker 1:Actually we were lucky that we did visit some of those places, so I got to experience it once yeah but it made me think about that, because had we not?
Speaker 2:done. Did you get a headache from it?
Speaker 1:I didn't get a headache, but I was like super tired and yeah, that was the other thing that we noticed in those high altitudes, because we flew into well, we drove into those.
Speaker 2:but it hit us all of a sudden that I got headaches and we were so dehydrated and we were so tired and that night everyone's chest was tired and you restricted through here and just felt like Screwed, so those things that you just can't train for because you've just got to do it. What impact will that have on your recovery? It would be great for you.
Speaker 1:There's so many things you can't plan for that's why I'm trying to talk to as many people as possible to try and get an understanding of what I'm in for, but there's still going to be so many things that you can't prepare for.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you'll just learn it as we go. For me it would be a massive learning curve as we go, like for me it would be a massive learning curve. For Liam, it would be a massive learning curve of, like, how much you can tolerate people talking or how much being around him.
Speaker 1:So many people are messaging me being like once again, like I like the idea of it. People are like, oh, we'll come run this with you.
Speaker 2:But I know, lockie, everything yeah, and that ain't going to happen after about day five.
Speaker 1:Even if I make that part, I'm very….
Speaker 2:You need your own space. You need to recharge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to say intolerable, but I like to think I'm also tolerable to a degree, but even to the point. When I was running three half marathons in a row last week. I couldn't listen to music because my head noise was so loud as soon as you throw even music on top of that.
Speaker 2:it was horrible. Well, you get agitated, like your system is so overwhelmed with so much as it is like digestion and sleep and you're fatigued and stressed, and you're physically and emotionally stressed, then to add in, like big personalities or too much talking.
Speaker 1:And people who are fresh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, people that just don't know you or haven't gone through that with you or they're like, yeah, flying in fresh. That's going to be a whole other aspect, because you want them there and the energy there, but coping with that and also having enough space and knowing your routine yeah okay, give me 30 minutes after the run. I need to decompress yeah, then I'm good working.
Speaker 1:That routine out will be interesting yeah, I, because, yeah, I want to include people as much as possible yeah, you want their support.
Speaker 2:I also know what I'm like but at the same time we just did a tour two-week tour and you don't get that opportunity at all. And that is your sleep and you just look forward to that and you go back into your room and it's like quiet time and you turn your phone off and you manage, and then it's like when you need to, in the car while you're traveling, you put your headphones in and you might have meditation music on. You might have no music. You're just blocking out the noise.
Speaker 2:So you do not disturb headphones you start to learn those things around, whoever you're around.
Speaker 1:We'll see That'll be an interesting one, but I think the main points is obviously like even in the lead up to it. Now it's getting my body strong and mobile. So rather than just doing that when it happens, like you know obviously, for me probably do Pilates, it may not.
Speaker 1:That'll be two hours That'll give me yeah, that because I'm meant to be training 20 hours a week, so I do four a week in the mornings and then a bit of mobility either side. Yeah, that should. I just need to keep my hips, hamstrings and everything I mean I did when I was filming them.
Speaker 2:I had to do six. I was doing five sessions a day, so I was doing four because I needed to get it done. I had a time limit.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:In those four, five days because I was doing 30 minutes of mobility. After two hours of Pilates my foot on my right side always turns out that had fixed itself by day two Really. Yeah, just because I was doing so much activation through the side of my glutes, wow. So I'm interested to see because now I've had a couple of days off it I'm interested to see how you go picking it up how quickly you'll start to notice.
Speaker 2:Your strength and your running will change. Just you won't dump into your hips as much and you will have a little bit more like stride and you'll have a better stand.
Speaker 2:Definitely be taller, I can imagine, because I'm like very weak, even all through here, like working through the middle of your back and doing a lot of the lower trap stuff, it will take you out of being in these four positions that you're in for travel so much. So I'm keen to see how that goes at, just like straightening you up and also strengthening you to prepare for that.
Speaker 1:And so, essentially, for those who want to look at doing it, all they do is they'll purchase a membership Yep. Then videos will be delivered through your website Yep, and it's just like watching you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so they're all 30-minute guided mobility and Pilates exercise classes.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I've tried to set them all up, so they're all classes and there's, I think, 31 30-minute classes and then, there's about six or seven shorter classes, cool, and then that will keep growing. The more we film, the more I'll add them up there so yeah.
Speaker 1:Sweet, that's. The plan is to have hundreds of Pilates classes, hundreds of.
Speaker 2:Pilates in lesson and have them in groups. So there will eventually be sessions that you could do, a four-week intensive. Or if you just want abs, click all the ab videos. So we'll eventually get to that.
Speaker 1:Where do people get on the wait list?
Speaker 2:You can join the wait list at movebettercomau and I'm hoping to have it launched in a week We'll see, we're going to.
Speaker 1:Hawaii. By the time this goes out on Monday. What's Thursday? It'll go out Sunday, three days yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, it has to be a week. Yeah, it'll be quick. He's giving me a deadline.
Speaker 1:The link's in the bio if you want to check that out, if you want to get as fit and toned as I am.
Speaker 2:And I mean you've done Pilates before with me and I've got many clients back home that are male and they can't live without it now, because it's the thing that prevents them from having back pain or it prevents them from getting neck pain or rib pain. So it's the key for your rehab. It's prehab too.
Speaker 1:It's prehab. Yeah, I was going to say it's like getting everything activated. And if things aren't activating, you overcompensate in other areas, and that's where the injuries come from.
Speaker 2:So the idea for you now is to prep that also. You're running like a god come January.
Speaker 1:Fingers crossed a nice god.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for coming on. That was awesome, my pleasure.
Speaker 1:Super helpful it. That was awesome, my pleasure. Super helpful. It took away a heap so you can all follow Kathleen over at Move Better on Instagram. Is it movebetter?
Speaker 2:Movebetterco.
Speaker 1:Movebetterco on Instagram the link to join the wait list or hopefully, depending on when you're listening to this, it might be live. So go get amongst it, get your Pilates on and, as Kathleen said, she's going to be adding to it and she'll be coming along on the run, so you'll get to see a lot more of her on that. Yeah, if we get enough sponsorship.
Speaker 2:Please help us Sponsor him. He needs it. I need the support. Thank you so much for having me. I hope you enjoyed it.
Speaker 1:That was awesome, fun, awesome. As always, guys do something today to be better for tomorrow. I'm Lachlan Stewart. Take care.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
